Imagine there's no country. Politik und Regierungen

Lianshen, that is why I am telling to you - you are not much different from these Western governments. If you don't believe in justice for everyone, than you are with them. It's fundamental. About song Imagine - it's just a dream song, but it's already scary for some people? It's not a constitution. Relax guys.

Dogmatic view, and I'd add that it's potentially hypocrite of you as well. What I said might be rough and cynical, yet people factually don't care about strangers and would factually values people that are the closest to them. I am only expressing this clearly, because that's how we are despite some beautiful blabling about butterflies and a song from a hippie who couldn't even keep some harmony in his band.

Also, try to reach "justice" for Russians only, so that we can see if it works or not, but I've serious doubts on that matter... and it's only a small scale. If you realize how difficult it already is, especially in a country with your culture, then you might realize that what I'd be fine with is already quite utopic.

Lianshen, exactly that is why this question is not so strait forward. Some people here think that Lennon was some kind of a clown, but he was not. Culture, music are not a math. Same argument people can have against Karl Marx. What did he mean talking about communism? What kind society is that? Maybe Marx also was under the drugs? Why not? But you know, these arguments are not serious. Law and formal documents have to be written clear for everybody. If we are denying certain rights to some people, then the whole system is braking down. What we can accuse Nazi Germans of? Killing people? Many governments did it. So what? It's exactly because every human been has unalienable right to live, to sick happiness etc. Like it's written in American constitution. The problem is, it's very hard to fulfill all this rights. It is not that they are wrong, the problem is that some people don't understand all this.

By the way, Russia can keep it's hands out of India and overreaching for it's big tycoons who criticize Putin!

DWeathers, you are one of a kind! What is it there for you? Are you an American government? Why do you care? I know why. You are infatuated too much with western democracies. India and Russia always had good relationship. I hope it will stay like that.

DWeathers, you are one of a kind! What is it there for you? Are you an American government? Why do you care? I know why. You are infatuated too much with western democracies. India and Russia always had good relationship. I hope it will stay like that.

Russia thinks it can control it's business men where ever they are and knock them off if they have enough money and criticize Putin's agenda.

DWeathers, you must be an experienced businessman. How do you know about it? Did you read it in a newspaper?

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Do you know Anarchism?

Stupid shit people of russia give stupid counter-comments. As it has always been. 80,000,000. Deaths in Gulag camps since 1953. And before that with Stalin it was shit too, so plus 25,000,000 extra deaths. Here in Germany we don't need stupid people from Russia who want to comment on human rights. And the dirt from Russia that's still here. it's nice to go back to Putin's promised shitty country. PS: What is Russia? A few mafia bigwigs like Putin and Co have ripped the state treasures under their own wings, and the normal people who have worked for 40 years die and can look after 40 years
and not even a piece of meat
.Afford.

Common folk die because a few idiots have gone megalomaniac!

Aki, stop been paranoiac.

Ups...

We need discussions instead of swearing

...15 years young and trying to maintain the level of this conversation, at least in its basic features. Bravo RedStar!

What was the question, again?

The question should actually be: "Imagine there were no countries.... "

Would the course of this post have been different? Well, ... probably it wouldn`t have changed much.

Here's an idea, ... maybe it can help. If someone has something to say, why don't you just post it in a separate post? It makes much more sense to formulate one's own thoughts than to argue past the topic in someone else's post. RedStar is absolutely right...
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Back to the post: I am in favour of preserving the different countries, cultures, religions ... and I don't even see a problem in different systems of government. Just as I am in favour of respecting and valuing the different feelings, thoughts and views of EVERY forum participant.

However, it would be more than appropriate to think about why we are still at war. More than that, how do we get peace on the globe. The basic question of this post, was born out of this thought ... at least that's my guess.

Over the past centuries, there have been repeated attempts to establish ONE SYSTEM by force. Even if the basic idea was PEACE - let's just assume that - the political implementation was wrong. Violence, oppression and the like thwart any good approach.

If someone is not at peace with himself,
he will always find someone to blame.
The solution is quite simple: PEACE.

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Love & Light
michael

What do you think of Proudhon's ideas?

The idea of anarchism was to abolish the state, the government, authority, in other words, everything that they thought limited the overall development of the human race, and to think that this could be accomplished in a short time. The "repeal" here, unlike "natural death", is an active act.

The state, the government and the ruler are products that exist only in a class society. Whether the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie in a capitalist country or the dictatorship of the people's democracy (or the dictatorship of the proletariat) in a socialist country, they are all based on the fact that there are classes in this society and the contradictions between them are irreconcilable. Therefore, these things are actually the product of preventing the outbreak of conflict, and they come into being with the creation of class. Then, if we really want to make these things disappear, we can only step into a socialist society through revolution, carry out socialist construction through various means, make the class naturally die out, and finally enter the communist ideal society.

If all this is theoretical, we can also prove this point from historical facts. At the beginning of the human species, there were almost no surplus products due to low productivity, so primitive communism was practiced, and tribal members worked together and shared distribution. With the development of productivity, surplus products gradually appeared. For various reasons, such as prestige, violence, etc., tribal members began to voluntarily or involuntarily concentrate surplus products in the hands of leaders. At this time, classes emerged -- tribal leaders possessed surplus products, while other members had no surplus products and could only basically maintain a minimum life. Just to use tribes as an example, in fact, classes and countries will always exist as long as there is no great abundance of surplus products.

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Lir_Elhan, I agree with you. I don't see any problem if some countries choose to have different political system, but not anarchism. It's some kind of illusion. Going back to the title, yes it's a dream-song. It's not a constitution of some kind. And probably, what Lennon meant in his song, just what he said - some day people will be more tolerant, less politically motivated, not so greedy etc. It's like growing up. We grow, we learn, we are striving to be better. And what we have now? Exactly what you wrote. People want to fight! People want to be mean! What happened to our world again? We didn't have enough killings? Do we need another war? It's crazy.